You took some major time off between releases. What have you been up to?
Spike Fuck: I guess I would describe the past few years as a period of drought. Spiritually, creatively, personally. In 2021, I was freshly clean off heroin and had lost loved ones in the recent past. Music, which had once been a source of joy and comfort, had become increasingly painful to engage with, then seemingly near impossible to access. Music was also bound up with drugs and chaos and negativity, which certainly made it easier to let go.
But I think I'd always chased transcendence, whether in music, drugs, relationships, fleeting experiences, etc., but now I wanted its ultimate expression. So, of course, as prosaic as it sounds, I ended up with the question of faith (although I didn't know at all what that meant).
So I spent time studying theology, did a few stints in a Benedictine monastery in Tasmania. Time in silence, prayer, chant, solitude. A lot of soul searching, some self-flagellation. I shed a lot of myself. Anything and everything that wasn't absolutely necessary. It was my undoing in a sense, my unmaking. And in that unmaking, the necessary elements eventually coalesced and reformed.
Then I was pulled back into music, as if by something outside myself. Which was perhaps most surprising to me.
What do drugs and religion share in common?
They’re both totalising pursuits. You build your whole life around them. They demand everything: attention, surrender, devotion. In heroin, you chase a fleeting transcendence at any cost, a momentary dissolution of the self, a quieting of the mind and an escape from physical and emotional pain. In religion, you seek a more enduring, ordered transcendence. It’s less reliable and immediate, but rather a deep, abiding peace that grounds your daily existence. Heroin and the lifestyle that accompanies it quickly becomes boring, whereas a relationship with God makes life more vivid, more like an adventure.
How would you describe your relationship with Catholicism?
It’s like a long-term relationship, I suppose. Because it is. And I’m imperfect and get pushed and pulled in different directions by different forces at different times. There are times of passion, resentment, estrangement, excitement, re-commitment, and misunderstanding. It’s complex. I love its claims on transcendence, its ritual, silence, and beauty. I also love its expansiveness and universality. It seems to be able to account for the beauty of life and human beings, but also the terribleness and ugliness of it all. And it is able to make sense of the two. It is able to hold the messiness and contradictions of life in tension and assert the fullness and goodness of life and the human experience. The art and the music, of course. It’s so beautiful and has at times moved me to tears. I’d describe my relationship with it as one of tension and loyalty: I walk with it, push against it, walk away, and return. It shapes me, and I try to shape myself in it.
There’s this quote from one of my favourite novels, La Bas. It’s by this 19th-century French author, J.K. Huysmans, and is about the Parisian Satanic scene of the 1890s. It sums up my feelings towards Catholicism:
“I am haunted by Catholicism, intoxicated with its atmosphere of incense and wax. I roam around it, touched to tears by its prayers, impressed to the very marrows by its psalmody and its chants. I am very weary of my life, very tired of myself, but it is another thing to lead another existence. And then — if I am disturbed in the churches, I become unmoved and dry as soon as I come out. At the bottom I have a heart hardened and burned by sensual indulgence. I am good for nothing.”