Do you get hated on that much?
I get hated on like crazy. I get a lot of love, people are really nice. But there are moments when, especially when I collab with people, I get dogpiled. They go crazy on me. It’s more just trolls. No one’s ever been mad at me, I never did anything to deserve it. People just want to be mean.
I was actually around during the Millionaires era and it was interesting how that sound was in close proximity to metalcore. That was all part of the “scene” world. Does it still feel that way to you?
I wouldn’t say metal because it doesn’t have any breakdowns or anything, and I don’t scream. It’s kind of intense dance. It’s dance music but it’s also hard as fuck. There’s some dance songs that’re pretty. Mine is more intense. I feel like scene music is a gateway into metal. You could start listening to Kesha and then you’ll start listening to 6arelyhuman and then start listening to Pierce the Veil. That's the pipeline.
You know that Breathe Carolina had songs that were dance-pop and others with screaming. Do you think you’re gonna go there?
I can’t scream, but I could sing. I want to try to make an electro punk song, but I’m gonna take it slow to metal. I’m trying to add guitars and stuff to my dance songs right now. To give it more Metro Station vibes. But it’s gonna take a second for me to go fully guitar. Unless I make some nu-metal shit that has synths. But I think one of my biggest inspirations that I never talk about because they’re really problematic—like, it’s not a game—is Mindless Self Indulgence. They're metal but they also use weird-ass synth noises. I love their music because nobody makes shit like that except for them.
That's what I’m trynna do. I want to make something that's so crazy that I’m not gonna be the biggest artist in the whole entire world, but people are gonna love it ‘cause they can’t get it anywhere else. I don’t give a fuck about being “big,” because I know that unless I start making basic-ass pop music, I’m not gonna be big, big.
You’re 22, so you were like eight years old when all the scene music was coming out initially. How did you get into this stuff?
When I was in middle school my sisters were in high school and they were on Myspace, and they were into the Apple Bottom Jeans. They were more like Snooki girls. They were like Y2K girlies, but that's close to scene. The scene girls and the Y2K girls probably didn’t get along back then, but it’s still a subculture from the time period. I was an emo in middle school, but I had the weirdest music taste. I listened to Adele, Skrillex, and Deadmau5. But when I got into high school I was way more into rap music and punk stuff, and I was listening to Pierce the Veil, Sleeping With Sirens. Junior year [of high-school] was the year I dressed emo and started making music.
To be honest, I get asked a lot by people who were in the Myspace era, “How do you do the look so well?” They're just surprised I wasn’t alive—or didn’t know it existed—when Myspace was eating. I don’t know [when I got into scene music]. I just YOLO’d it. People get mad when I say I’m “scene” so I try not to say I’m “scene.”
Again, it’s interesting that you got into this scene pop music after it was really popular. In the late 2010s, that stuff was very outdated, those artists weren’t making music anymore. Do you just think that era of music is better than a lot of the pop being made today?
I just think old music is better in general. I don't listen to new music that much unless it’s girl rap.
What’s your favorite old shit?
Mindless Self Indulgence [laughs meekly]. I love the Millionaires. I love this one girl Princess Superstar. She’s so fierce. I love listening to Nadia Oh. She’s the best. She’s a deep cut. There’s this producer Space Cowboy and he used to produce for Lady Gaga, but he found Nadia Oh and he produced a whole project for her, and it was the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. That shit is crazy.
Do you go in the Brokencyde direction of scene music?
Ugh, no.
You have to admit, though, it’s not that far afield from the other stuff you like.
Yeah, crunkcore. I just can’t scream so I can’t do it.
What about Hollywood Undead?
Fuck no. Is that the one that's like, “When I start drinking, my liquor does all my thinking?”
Yeah [laughs].
Ewww, that's brother music. That's for the dudes. That's for the emo boys. I like the “dance like a slut, and I don’t really care.” I love the girlie pop.
You already mentioned problematic artists, so the door’s open: What about Blood on the Dance Floor?
They suck ass.
They're terrible, but their look is very similar to yours.
I love Jayy Von, he was tea. He’s the gay one that was skinny and had side-bangs. He’s actually a drag queen now, and he won a TV show called Dragula.
The other members of that band are horrible people, but in that era they were one of the biggest names in the world we’re talking about.
Oh, Dahvie Vanity. I hate him. Their big song, “Sexting,” my friend sampled it and called it “Cutting.” It did numbers and got taken down by Dahvie, and there was big drama. The scene is messy, which makes sense. If you look at the alternative scene on Myspace, it was disgusting, horrible. People were rude, mean, the lyrics were controversial, there was just drama all the time. It’s the same thing [now]. People are a mess, people are crazy, people say stupid things. There’s this one scene song that's kind of big and it’s literally about being skinny, it’s pro-anorexia.
I’m just gonna focus on my music because the scene is a freakin’ shit-show. I don’t want anything to do with them, and they all bullied me when I first joined the scene so I don’t give a fuck. When I first joined, everyone was so mean to me because I was gay, and I was like, “Ya’ll are making gay-ass music.” And you’re saying I’m weird because I’m gay? You’re moaning on a mic.
Do you feel like you’re in a way reclaiming this sound as queer? So much of this culture back in the day was very misogynistic and homophobic.
I think it [never was] really a queer thing. There’s a bunch of straight people doing this alternative thing, and that's fine because I feel like it was more popular for straight people to do it. But I realize that people like Jeffree Star, the way they did it was different enough for them to be more noticeable. Just the fact that they're a dude that wears crazy makeup and then also does the music, it catapulted him. And I feel like it kind of did the same thing for me. I’m just more out-there than what the other people are doing. Some people are really good at making music but they don’t know how to put the image together. That's really hard, that's one of the hard parts of being a musician nowadays. You have to have a whole entire look already figured out.